Pen imageEditor’s note

The letter below raises an issue about the use of e-mail addresses that were provided by signers of  the Stop Enerdu Petition. Brent Eades co-editor of the Millstone originated that petition and the Millstone linked to it for the purpose of facilitating access to it. E-mail addresses were requested on the site for the purpose of verifying that the signer was a real person. We acknowledge that this is personal information. The petition was designed to aid in the lobbying effort to stop this project and thus was aimed at politicians who have the power to lobby, at the municipal level, and decide, at the provincial level, on the fate of the project. Brent Eades provided the list of signatories and their e-mail addresses to Shaun McLaughlin upon Shaun McLaughlin’s request some time ago in his capacity as Mississippi Mills Councillor, for the purpose of that lobbying effort and to permit the updating of signers on the progress of the lobbying effort and the fate of the Enerdu project. We thought that the people who signed that petition would want to know about the progress of the effort and for the same reason that Brent collected the e-mail addresses, they were revealed to Mr. McLaughllin.

The Millstone is staffed entirely by volunteers and is funded by a combination of volunteers and donations from the public. It does not accept paid advertising and is operated as a public service. Editorially, we have expressed opposition to the Enerdu Project as we feel it is detrimental to the future of Almonte, but we were scrupulously neutral in the election campaign, publishing information on all candidates, providing each candidate an opportunity and publishing all positions, including both for and against the Enerdu Project.

Neither the Millstone nor Brent Eades personally, sells personal information to third parties or discloses it for a purpose not consistent with the reason for its collection. We did feel that in these circumstances, the proposed use of the e-mail addresses was consistent with the reason for collecting them and therefore disclosed them to a municipal councillor. In our view this is in line with privacy legislation which stipulates that use or disclosure should be consistent with the purpose for which the personal information is collected. We have not made any other use or disclosure of the e-mail addresses presented in the petition nor shall we. That said, we can always improve our practices and for any future petitions or surveys, we shall state at the outset just what use will be made of any personal information.

Edith Cody-Rice, co-editor
Dear Editor:

I have been following the news and comments on this web site for some time now with regard to the Enerdu topic, the different directions it has taken, the comments and opinions and of course the positions taken by the candidates of the upcoming election. The publisher and the editors that run this site have done a lot of work to make sure the word is out there that there are people who disagree with the Enerdu project. I do believe that if you are one of the people behind the scenes providing this “Community Newspaper for Mississippi Mills” that you should be using responsible decision making processes that are unbiased especially when it comes to a community election and pertaining to the candidates that are running in it.

So it was very disturbing to learn that Mr. McLaughlin and his team have gained access to a list of contact information of all the people who signed the Enerdu petition in order to send out unsolicited emails to those on that list, suggesting that Mr. McLaughlin was the only mayoral candidate who should receive our vote. At the All Candidate’s night in Clayton I asked Mr. McLaughlin how he and his team were able to contact me by email when my email address is private. His response was that I had signed the Enerdu petition and that makes my email public so he and his team can then send me an unsolicited email. Equally disturbing is to know that the petition at http://almonte.com/wordpress/petition/ is run by Mr. Brent Eades, one of the editors of Millstone news.

From what I can see on the petition page, there is no disclaimer indicating that that my contact information will be sold, or given away to third parties for any purpose, nor that once I enter my data that it is deemed public domain.

Mr. Eades, did you sell or give away the contact information of more than 4000 people that electronically signed the Enerdu petition to Mr. McLaughlin and his team and if you did, will you be distributing this data to any others in the future? For what purpose are you holding the contact information from all these people? Was consent provided by any of these people to use their contact information for other purposes?

Mr. McLaughlin, as you stated in Clayton, you apparently have access to a list of all the people in this community who have voiced their opinion against the Enerdu project. What will you do with this list when the election is over? What will your campaign workers do with the copies that they have? I certainly object to my email being in the possession of random residents of Mississippi Mills that I don’t know. If you do become Mayor of Mississippi Mills, will this list play any role in the future should people approach you as a Mayor, who are not on your list?

Did you ensure that the message contained in your unsolicited emails you sent to potential voters from the Enerdu petition list abides by the Canadian Anti-Spam Legislation (CASL) pertaining to candidates? Was the primary purpose of your email to solicit a contribution as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Canada Elections Act in order to be exempt from CASL? It certainly doesn’t appear so. The CASL also requires that for sending a CEM to an electronic address you need to have either written or oral consent. The onus is on the person sending the message to prove they have obtained consent to send the message.
Besides acting unethically, perhaps you may have violated the Canadian Anti-Spam Legislation and Canada Elections Act by your actions.

And you did not answer the second question that I asked you in Clayton, and that was: If you are elected mayor how can the residents of this municipality be assured that our private information at the municipal level is going to remain private? Or perhaps you have answered that question!

Rose Mary Sarsfield
Almonte, Ont. K0A1A0
 
 
 

281 COMMENTS

  1. Thank you Rose for bringing this to our attention. This is very disturbing to say the least. Mr Mayor elect, what do you have to say for yourself. As for millstone news…shame on all of you. So much for fair news. Another part of the ‘media party’. So sad. Liebrals play to their own rules as usual.

  2. Thank you Rose for bringing this to our attention. This is very disturbing to say the least. Mr Mayor elect, what do you have to say for yourself. As for millstone news…shame on all of you. So much for fair news. Another part of the ‘media party’. So sad. Liebrals play to their own rules as usual.

  3. From 2013 to 2014, over 1700 people claiming to be from
    Mississippi Mills signed the anti-Enerdu petition at http://almonte.com/petition/.
    The entire contents of the petition was publicly in view—names and email
    addresses. (The list is now gone.) Any information on the petition was in the
    public domain. The ShaunForMayor team viewed the public signing of the petition
    as “opting-in” to Enerdu related material. In the spirit of Internet protocol,
    the team felt sending an Enerdu-related letter as fair play.

    This is not counter to the anti-spam legislation, as the
    letter writer accuses. The legislation exempts political messages.

    When cross-checked with the voters list, 850 names remained.
    It is standard campaign procedure to send correspondence to a targeted list. I
    was the only person who saw the whole list. The seven people who emailed the
    letter received a list of 100-200 email addresses without identifying names.
    They destroyed the lists when finished. The master list I created is now also
    gone. It was intended for one-time use.

    I realize that some people may wish to score political points, however, I fully addressed the issue in an open forum at the Clayton All Candidates Meeting in response to a question. My only regret is that this issue may have made some Millstone News volunteers uncomfortable.

  4. From 2013 to 2014, over 1700 people claiming to be from
    Mississippi Mills signed the anti-Enerdu petition at http://almonte.com/petition/.
    The entire contents of the petition was publicly in view—names and email
    addresses. (The list is now gone.) Any information on the petition was in the
    public domain. The ShaunForMayor team viewed the public signing of the petition
    as “opting-in” to Enerdu related material. In the spirit of Internet protocol,
    the team felt sending an Enerdu-related letter as fair play.

    This is not counter to the anti-spam legislation, as the
    letter writer accuses. The legislation exempts political messages.

    When cross-checked with the voters list, 850 names remained.
    It is standard campaign procedure to send correspondence to a targeted list. I
    was the only person who saw the whole list. The seven people who emailed the
    letter received a list of 100-200 email addresses without identifying names.
    They destroyed the lists when finished. The master list I created is now also
    gone. It was intended for one-time use.

    I realize that some people may wish to score political points, however, I fully addressed the issue in an open forum at the Clayton All Candidates Meeting in response to a question. My only regret is that this issue may have made some Millstone News volunteers uncomfortable.

  5. Who are you accusing of wanting to score political points? I believe the author of the letter was a Dalgity supporter, and we all know that Gary is better than that. Who else has anything to gain by bringing this matter to the public? You can put whatever spin you want on this, it was a slimy thing to do and you should have apologized. Already in trouble with the people and you haven’t even taken your seat yet!

  6. Who are you accusing of wanting to score political points? I believe the author of the letter was a Dalgity supporter, and we all know that Gary is better than that. Who else has anything to gain by bringing this matter to the public? You can put whatever spin you want on this, it was a slimy thing to do and you should have apologized. Already in trouble with the people and you haven’t even taken your seat yet!

  7. What I am curious to know is when did this letter get submitted to Millstone? If it was before the close of the election, why wasn’t it posted then?
    When did the ‘list’ from the petition magically get removed from the public domain? I sure would also be interested to read this email sent out by the mayor elect.

  8. What I am curious to know is when did this letter get submitted to Millstone? If it was before the close of the election, why wasn’t it posted then?
    When did the ‘list’ from the petition magically get removed from the public domain? I sure would also be interested to read this email sent out by the mayor elect.

  9. Politics in Almonte is getting slipery, oops I mad a typo. Maybe my views are unworthy. Looks to me like the new mayor was elected mostly by people against enurdu. So much for representing all of the people.

    Millstone/Mr Eades, if you collect personal information for one purpose and use it for another, what should you do? Were you not the custodians of that information?

    Millstone, as for being scrupulously neutral, come on, who are you kidding. Did you provide assistance to council members by providing them with the personal information of enurdu supporters?
    Mayor elect, I see you have destroyed the list/evidence, how convenient..I wish I could vote again. I would like to have a person of integrity hold this position.

  10. Politics in Almonte is getting slipery, oops I mad a typo. Maybe my views are unworthy. Looks to me like the new mayor was elected mostly by people against enurdu. So much for representing all of the people.

    Millstone/Mr Eades, if you collect personal information for one purpose and use it for another, what should you do? Were you not the custodians of that information?

    Millstone, as for being scrupulously neutral, come on, who are you kidding. Did you provide assistance to council members by providing them with the personal information of enurdu supporters?
    Mayor elect, I see you have destroyed the list/evidence, how convenient..I wish I could vote again. I would like to have a person of integrity hold this position.

  11. From reading the above written by Edith, it seems that Brent provided Shaun the e-mail list when he was a councilor. It was Shaun’s decision to use the e-mail addresses as a campaign tool.
    Some laws are fairly vague and as such are easy to get around. Shaun linking Stop Enerdu to his campaign allowed him to use the e-mails without breaking the law. That’s why I care more about what people’s intentions are. Although I am critical of the Millstone, I believe that the Millstone and Brent had good intentions when providing the list to Councilor Shaun McLaughlin. They were trying to support their Stop Enerdu cause.
    I do not believe that Shaun had good intention when using the list as a campaign tool. Then to post that he did nothing wrong and accuse people of trying for political gain shows his true colours.
    Someone on this site posted the following: “So it’s up to us to stay involved and fight hard for the right future for our Town”. I agree. Thank you Rose Mary for having the courage to write this letter. Thank you Millstone for having the courage to publish it. Thank you to all that have posted for having the courage to tell our new mayor that you are not happy with this action. We should be owed an apology.

  12. From reading the above written by Edith, it seems that Brent provided Shaun the e-mail list when he was a councilor. It was Shaun’s decision to use the e-mail addresses as a campaign tool.
    Some laws are fairly vague and as such are easy to get around. Shaun linking Stop Enerdu to his campaign allowed him to use the e-mails without breaking the law. That’s why I care more about what people’s intentions are. Although I am critical of the Millstone, I believe that the Millstone and Brent had good intentions when providing the list to Councilor Shaun McLaughlin. They were trying to support their Stop Enerdu cause.
    I do not believe that Shaun had good intention when using the list as a campaign tool. Then to post that he did nothing wrong and accuse people of trying for political gain shows his true colours.
    Someone on this site posted the following: “So it’s up to us to stay involved and fight hard for the right future for our Town”. I agree. Thank you Rose Mary for having the courage to write this letter. Thank you Millstone for having the courage to publish it. Thank you to all that have posted for having the courage to tell our new mayor that you are not happy with this action. We should be owed an apology.

  13. Regulation SOR 2013-221 states the following: “(h) that is sent by or on behalf of a political party or organization, or a person who is a candidate – as defined in an Act of Parliament or the legislature of a province – for publicly elected office and the message has as its primary purpose soliciting a contribution as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Canada Elections Act.”
    As Rose Mary stated above, was the primary purpose of your electronic communication to solicit a contribution? If not, then you were not exempt as you falsely stated above.

  14. Regulation SOR 2013-221 states the following: “(h) that is sent by or on behalf of a political party or organization, or a person who is a candidate – as defined in an Act of Parliament or the legislature of a province – for publicly elected office and the message has as its primary purpose soliciting a contribution as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Canada Elections Act.”
    As Rose Mary stated above, was the primary purpose of your electronic communication to solicit a contribution? If not, then you were not exempt as you falsely stated above.

  15. As the letter writer I would like to comment further. Thank you
    to the Millstone for finally publishing the letter. I realize it was sent very
    close to voting time, however, so was the email in question.

    I wish to clarify a few points:

    1. Neither Garry Dalgity nor John Levi had ANYTHING to do
    with this letter being written. I have known both these men probably longer than
    Mr. McLaughlin has been alive. I am a retired teacher from this area and I am
    perfectly capable of expressing my own opinion.

    2. I do not support the Enerdu project.

    3. From the comments
    made by Ms. Cody-Rice, I get the feeling that the handing over of the
    information that Mr. McLaughlin requested, seemed like a reasonable request at
    the time. We all have made decisions that seemed like a good idea at the time,
    only to find out later they were not. Mr. Eades made a bad decision. So did Mr.
    McLaughlin, and so did the campaign workers who went along with the idea.

    4. This is Almonte! It is not the city where you can be
    anonymous! Everyone knows what is going on in this town. In a small town REPUTATION
    is everything! Many people have
    indicated to me how unhappy they were to learn of this action on the part of
    Mr. McLaughlin. It is indeed unfortunate that he made these choices. And it is
    even more unfortunate that he continues to defend what he did as being right.
    Being confrontational is never a good policy in building human relations. This
    town is now very divided as a result of the Enerdu project. The new Council has
    a huge job to try to repair that divide. Here’s a little lesson in humility,
    remember these numbers – 61 the margin
    by which Mr. McLaughlin won, and 3292 the number of people who voted against
    him.

  16. As the letter writer I would like to comment further. Thank you
    to the Millstone for finally publishing the letter. I realize it was sent very
    close to voting time, however, so was the email in question.

    I wish to clarify a few points:

    1. Neither Garry Dalgity nor John Levi had ANYTHING to do
    with this letter being written. I have known both these men probably longer than
    Mr. McLaughlin has been alive. I am a retired teacher from this area and I am
    perfectly capable of expressing my own opinion.

    2. I do not support the Enerdu project.

    3. From the comments
    made by Ms. Cody-Rice, I get the feeling that the handing over of the
    information that Mr. McLaughlin requested, seemed like a reasonable request at
    the time. We all have made decisions that seemed like a good idea at the time,
    only to find out later they were not. Mr. Eades made a bad decision. So did Mr.
    McLaughlin, and so did the campaign workers who went along with the idea.

    4. This is Almonte! It is not the city where you can be
    anonymous! Everyone knows what is going on in this town. In a small town REPUTATION
    is everything! Many people have
    indicated to me how unhappy they were to learn of this action on the part of
    Mr. McLaughlin. It is indeed unfortunate that he made these choices. And it is
    even more unfortunate that he continues to defend what he did as being right.
    Being confrontational is never a good policy in building human relations. This
    town is now very divided as a result of the Enerdu project. The new Council has
    a huge job to try to repair that divide. Here’s a little lesson in humility,
    remember these numbers – 61 the margin
    by which Mr. McLaughlin won, and 3292 the number of people who voted against
    him.

  17. Nathan has stated several times about the large numbers that signed the Stop Enerdu petition. From your own words above (thanks for that), only 850 voters signed the petition. How many total voters in Mississippi Mills, let’s say 10,000. Only 8.5% of registered voters signed the Stop Enerdu petition. What about the other 91.5% of us? Will you support us?

  18. Nathan has stated several times about the large numbers that signed the Stop Enerdu petition. From your own words above (thanks for that), only 850 voters signed the petition. How many total voters in Mississippi Mills, let’s say 10,000. Only 8.5% of registered voters signed the Stop Enerdu petition. What about the other 91.5% of us? Will you support us?

  19. He said when cross checked with the voters list. He ran for mayor of MISSISSIPPI MILLS. As such, cross checking the voters list would remove all signers of the petition that were not eligible to vote in Mississippi Mills. Is this not the case?

  20. He said when cross checked with the voters list. He ran for mayor of MISSISSIPPI MILLS. As such, cross checking the voters list would remove all signers of the petition that were not eligible to vote in Mississippi Mills. Is this not the case?

  21. What do you mean you have no idea. I thought you were the communications officer for his campaign? Glad to see you are reading this thread. Any comments on the matter?

  22. What do you mean you have no idea. I thought you were the communications officer for his campaign? Glad to see you are reading this thread. Any comments on the matter?

  23. Actually, I was at the ACM in Clayton, where I distinctly heard Mr. McLaughlin say two things in particular: (1) That the information on the petition was openly visible and therefore it was already public; and (2) That he was sorry for having offended anyone by sending them an email.
    I don’t see this as obfuscation, or lacking in apology.
    As a computer geek, I will add that, in my personal opinion, it’s a lot easier to press than it is to gather campaign brochures from mailboxes and from the side of the road and put them into recycle bins. In my dog walks, I was often picking these things up. I would say that, whatever methods our candidates used, they and their helpers put in a lot of effort for democracy in our good community. And everyone should be congratulated at how quickly the signs of an election disappeared from our roadsides.
    Now, what would be REALLY nice is for our new Town Council to move forward in some harmony to create (and maintain) the Mississippi Mills we all want to live in.

  24. Actually, I was at the ACM in Clayton, where I distinctly heard Mr. McLaughlin say two things in particular: (1) That the information on the petition was openly visible and therefore it was already public; and (2) That he was sorry for having offended anyone by sending them an email.
    I don’t see this as obfuscation, or lacking in apology.
    As a computer geek, I will add that, in my personal opinion, it’s a lot easier to press than it is to gather campaign brochures from mailboxes and from the side of the road and put them into recycle bins. In my dog walks, I was often picking these things up. I would say that, whatever methods our candidates used, they and their helpers put in a lot of effort for democracy in our good community. And everyone should be congratulated at how quickly the signs of an election disappeared from our roadsides.
    Now, what would be REALLY nice is for our new Town Council to move forward in some harmony to create (and maintain) the Mississippi Mills we all want to live in.

  25. When the idea came up, I asked my colleagues to make sure it didn’t run afoul of CASL guidelines. They said it didn’t (see reference to political exemption above) and went ahead. I had input into the text of the email to the STOPENERDU supporters, but was not one of the volunteers who handled lists or sent emails. Also, I can respectfully see Ms. Sarsfield’s point, and hope she (and you) can respectfully agree to disagree.

  26. I’m not sure I understand the ethical difference between using publicly visible email addresses to send out information versus using every single dwelling address in Mississippi Mills to send out paper information. To me, the second method is more cumbersome, and causes a lot more environmental headache. Also, I would find it more irritating to find pamphlets and stuff stuck in my doorway and mailbox than I would to press for an email I’m not interested in – I don’t even have to open it or touch it in any way. So …. since the email addresses were publicly visible, I’m not really sure I understand what all the fuss is about, unless it’s about discrediting someone.
    I believe that the questions were answered here in this thread.

  27. I’m not sure I understand the ethical difference between using publicly visible email addresses to send out information versus using every single dwelling address in Mississippi Mills to send out paper information. To me, the second method is more cumbersome, and causes a lot more environmental headache. Also, I would find it more irritating to find pamphlets and stuff stuck in my doorway and mailbox than I would to press for an email I’m not interested in – I don’t even have to open it or touch it in any way. So …. since the email addresses were publicly visible, I’m not really sure I understand what all the fuss is about, unless it’s about discrediting someone.
    I believe that the questions were answered here in this thread.

  28. Were the e-mail addresses every openly visible? I saw the list of people that signed the petition but I never saw a list of e-mail addresses?

  29. Were the e-mail addresses every openly visible? I saw the list of people that signed the petition but I never saw a list of e-mail addresses?

  30. I never paid attention to this myself, as I don’t guard my email address any more than I guard my home address. I just delete the junk without opening it. Someone else might be able to validate this though …?

  31. I never paid attention to this myself, as I don’t guard my email address any more than I guard my home address. I just delete the junk without opening it. Someone else might be able to validate this though …?

  32. Sure, when people on this site ripped John Levi a new one, it was OK. When I agree with a letter written and want to hold the new Mayor accountable for his actions, I’m just discrediting someone. If that’s your opinion, fine.
    I will tell you right now, get use to this for the next 4 years. I will jump on everything the new mayor posts if, as a citizen of this town, I am not pleased with his actions.
    I do not believe the e-mail addresses were ever made public. If they were, shame on Brent. If they were not, Shaun is lying and has committed an illegal activity!

  33. Sure, when people on this site ripped John Levi a new one, it was OK. When I agree with a letter written and want to hold the new Mayor accountable for his actions, I’m just discrediting someone. If that’s your opinion, fine.
    I will tell you right now, get use to this for the next 4 years. I will jump on everything the new mayor posts if, as a citizen of this town, I am not pleased with his actions.
    I do not believe the e-mail addresses were ever made public. If they were, shame on Brent. If they were not, Shaun is lying and has committed an illegal activity!

  34. I’m sorry, but I never heard him say he was sorry for having offended anyone by sending them an email. I was the one who asked the question in Clayton and received the brunt of his vigorous defence of his right to use the emails. I couldn’t believe my ears! I fully expected an answer like “I’ll look into that for you and of course we will respect your privacy”

  35. I’m sorry, but I never heard him say he was sorry for having offended anyone by sending them an email. I was the one who asked the question in Clayton and received the brunt of his vigorous defence of his right to use the emails. I couldn’t believe my ears! I fully expected an answer like “I’ll look into that for you and of course we will respect your privacy”

  36. Political exemption only applies if the candidate is soliciting a contribution as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Canada Elections Act.”. Was the letter sent to Ms. Sarsfield to ask for a contribution? If not, bad boy and I think were are owed an apology from Shaun. He keeps doing the same thing. He throws out a post and then backs away from the conversation. People like you have to step in to make the matter look better. I think I will spend tomorrow talking to various departments of the government, both provincial and federal. Just to make sure that everything with this is on the up and up.
    All Shaun had to do was say sorry to a sweet lady that doesn’t want her e-mail address in stranger’s hands.

  37. Political exemption only applies if the candidate is soliciting a contribution as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Canada Elections Act.”. Was the letter sent to Ms. Sarsfield to ask for a contribution? If not, bad boy and I think were are owed an apology from Shaun. He keeps doing the same thing. He throws out a post and then backs away from the conversation. People like you have to step in to make the matter look better. I think I will spend tomorrow talking to various departments of the government, both provincial and federal. Just to make sure that everything with this is on the up and up.
    All Shaun had to do was say sorry to a sweet lady that doesn’t want her e-mail address in stranger’s hands.

  38. Rose Mary, he didn’t immediately apologize, that is for sure. If he had been more politically astute, he would have, as his defence of what he had done didn’t make him look very good. He first explained that information that is already public cannot very well be considered private, and that the information on the petition was visible to everyone. He then said, I believe, that he figured that since you had signed the petition, you’d be interested in information regarding what he would do about Enerdu if elected. And then he said that he was sorry if the email had offended you in any way.
    I saw it as a not-very-well-played answer from a not-too-experienced politician. Which is one of the reasons I think he would be a decent mayor – he doesn’t “play politics” very well. I had one discussion with him (I’ve met him only a few times) where I talked about being somewhat reserved in my opinion of him, because he comes across like a lot of people I met in high tech – not great at social graces, so not always saying the right thing. He accepted my criticism wholeheartedly.

    I was very taken with his comments to everyone at the Old Town Hall after the election results were in: He talked about how grateful he was to have learned a lot from Garry and John in his first term as a councilor, and that he had gone from being quite a hot-head to understanding more about all the work that needs to be done to keep a town running. He also said that his own opinions about what needed to happen had evolved a great deal from what he’d heard from folks while he was campaigning. I do believe that Shaun is open to people’s ideas, and that he will actually listen to all sides (especially the rest of the council). Remember, the Mayor is only one vote on our council. I believe (though I am very sorry to have lost an excellent councilor in Garry) that we have an excellent council going forward.

  39. Rose Mary, he didn’t immediately apologize, that is for sure. If he had been more politically astute, he would have, as his defence of what he had done didn’t make him look very good. He first explained that information that is already public cannot very well be considered private, and that the information on the petition was visible to everyone. He then said, I believe, that he figured that since you had signed the petition, you’d be interested in information regarding what he would do about Enerdu if elected. And then he said that he was sorry if the email had offended you in any way.
    I saw it as a not-very-well-played answer from a not-too-experienced politician. Which is one of the reasons I think he would be a decent mayor – he doesn’t “play politics” very well. I had one discussion with him (I’ve met him only a few times) where I talked about being somewhat reserved in my opinion of him, because he comes across like a lot of people I met in high tech – not great at social graces, so not always saying the right thing. He accepted my criticism wholeheartedly.

    I was very taken with his comments to everyone at the Old Town Hall after the election results were in: He talked about how grateful he was to have learned a lot from Garry and John in his first term as a councilor, and that he had gone from being quite a hot-head to understanding more about all the work that needs to be done to keep a town running. He also said that his own opinions about what needed to happen had evolved a great deal from what he’d heard from folks while he was campaigning. I do believe that Shaun is open to people’s ideas, and that he will actually listen to all sides (especially the rest of the council). Remember, the Mayor is only one vote on our council. I believe (though I am very sorry to have lost an excellent councilor in Garry) that we have an excellent council going forward.

  40. You asked me a direct question and I answered. Will be interested to see what your research reveals, and agree that if an apology is required, it should be offered.

  41. Will be interested to see what your research reveals, and agree that if an apology is required, it should be freely offered.

    Suggest you start your quest here: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/com500/faq500.htm and look under the section that reads “Registered Charities” that covers not-for-profit activities, then look for this phrase: “CEM” or “Commercial Electronic Message”:

  42. Many signed the petition after reading the supporting material. If the supporting material scientifically presents a solid foundation, then those supporting sustainable governance for our environment & heritage — define their position publicly, not just on those specifics alone, but on the fundamental principals as a whole.

    For the same reason a question on global climate change reveals much more about a person than a handful of peripheral questions, I would give credit to those who recognize a fundamental issue and present their favour/disapproval for it — knowing full well it defines their perspective across a vast array of related topics. This is a most efficient and intelligent method used by many leaders in and out of the political arena.

    To state your position on gay rights, homelessness, abortion, and the death penalty… are all common hot points used to define ones perspective. That said, I’m without surprise in seeing this method utilized locally. To point at a supporter of the petition is to look at someone who supports our environment, culture, history and a sustainable future — on principal alone. On principal alone — speaks volumes about the direction one is aiming towards, and to me that direction is what people will decide upon — not just the immediate specifics.

    I don’t criticize the Millstone for collecting my email address when I send in questions, mostly because the Millstone is completely void of advertising from ad companies. As a web developer (since 1995) it’s easy to see nothing cynical in the structure of the Millstone website, but as the Editor noted, improvement can be dialled in as the newspaper grows (privacy policy, terms agreement etc.), all standard stuff for the internet.

    As per the mechanism of the petition, I would imagine that people who signed it didn’t do so just to see their name on a public page. No, I imagine they expect results, some action. How does that signature translate into action? Logically one hopes the results of the petition isn’t handed to some random person on the street, but to people who can act upon it. If it isn’t, then why sign it? When someone signs the petition, do they not deserve a response, perhaps some acknowledgement the core issue is being listened to? Of course they do.

    With respect to anti spam laws, I wonder if an email from one of the local schools qualifies — if there’s a notice sent out for tickets to a school play. If people received a response from their local government — acknowledging the concerns of residents — then does this qualify as spam? Just what exactly is being sold here, a trip to Vegas? A new laundry detergent? My guess is local government in action, not just any action, but efficient action. For those who see local leaders answering the call from a petition, may feel they don’t have to sign it — because someone has already heard the voices calling for action. To bite back from a response is surprising to me.

    I support my community through sustainable methods under sustainable policies, as a result, my community responds in kind. I’d recommend others to take a similar consideration.

  43. So if a person doesn’t support the petition they don’t support the environment, culture, history and a sustainable future – on principle alone.
    Wow, just wow. That sure is a self absorbed far reach.

  44. So if a person doesn’t support the petition they don’t support the environment, culture, history and a sustainable future – on principle alone.
    Wow, just wow. That sure is a self absorbed far reach.

  45. I’m surprised you didn’t grab the following off the website as it seems to be more relevant than a charity:

    Does section 6 of CASL apply to messages sent by a political parties or candidate:

    No. Pursuant to the Governor-in-Council Regulations, commercial electronic messages (CEMs) sent by or on behalf of a political party or a person who is a candidate for publicly elected office, are excluded from section 6 of CASL, if the primary purpose of the CEM is to solicit a contribution.

    “Contribution” is defined in subsection 2(1) of the Canada Elections Act, and means a monetary contribution or a non-monetary contribution. Certain other terms are also defined in the Canada Elections Act, such as “political party” and “candidate.”

    What are some examples where messages sent by political parties and candidates (a) soliciting a contribution is the primary purpose of a CEM? (b) soliciting a contribution is not the primary purpose of a CEM?
    a. Where the primary purpose is soliciting a contribution:
    In such a scenario, section 6 of CASL would not apply since a CEM, sent by or on behalf of the political party or candidate, that promotes an event and/or the sale of tickets for an event – such as a dinner, golf tournament, theatrical production or concert or other fundraising event – where the proceeds from ticket sales flow to the political party or candidate.
    b. Where the primary purpose is not soliciting a contribution:
    A political party sends, by e-mail, a newsletter which provides information about the political activities of the party or about a particular social issue. If this e-mail also contains advertisements and encourages the recipient to participate in a commercial activity with the entities being advertised, then section 6 of the CASL may apply without any exemption, since the primary purpose of the message may not be to solicit contributions for the political party.
    My job is in Regulatory Affairs. Thanks for the help but I think I can take it from here.

  46. I’m surprised you didn’t grab the following off the website as it seems to be more relevant than a charity:

    Does section 6 of CASL apply to messages sent by a political parties or candidate:

    No. Pursuant to the Governor-in-Council Regulations, commercial electronic messages (CEMs) sent by or on behalf of a political party or a person who is a candidate for publicly elected office, are excluded from section 6 of CASL, if the primary purpose of the CEM is to solicit a contribution.

    “Contribution” is defined in subsection 2(1) of the Canada Elections Act, and means a monetary contribution or a non-monetary contribution. Certain other terms are also defined in the Canada Elections Act, such as “political party” and “candidate.”

    What are some examples where messages sent by political parties and candidates (a) soliciting a contribution is the primary purpose of a CEM? (b) soliciting a contribution is not the primary purpose of a CEM?
    a. Where the primary purpose is soliciting a contribution:
    In such a scenario, section 6 of CASL would not apply since a CEM, sent by or on behalf of the political party or candidate, that promotes an event and/or the sale of tickets for an event – such as a dinner, golf tournament, theatrical production or concert or other fundraising event – where the proceeds from ticket sales flow to the political party or candidate.
    b. Where the primary purpose is not soliciting a contribution:
    A political party sends, by e-mail, a newsletter which provides information about the political activities of the party or about a particular social issue. If this e-mail also contains advertisements and encourages the recipient to participate in a commercial activity with the entities being advertised, then section 6 of the CASL may apply without any exemption, since the primary purpose of the message may not be to solicit contributions for the political party.

    My job is in Regulatory Affairs. Thanks for the help but I think I can take it from here.

  47. Agree again that if an apology is required, it should be freely offered to Ms. Sarsfield. And I do look forward to your thorough research Tracy, given your regulatory affairs background.

  48. “To point at a supporter of the petition is to look at someone who supports our environment, culture, history and a sustainable future — on principal alone.”
    It doesn’t say the opposite. A similar example might be to say that a person who voted for Barack Obama isnot against blacks. Then it wouldn’t mean that anyone who didn’t vote for him was racist ….

  49. “To point at a supporter of the petition is to look at someone who supports our environment, culture, history and a sustainable future — on principal alone.”
    It doesn’t say the opposite. A similar example might be to say that a person who voted for Barack Obama isnot against blacks. Then it wouldn’t mean that anyone who didn’t vote for him was racist ….

  50. You might notice in his comments below he says “My only regret is that this issue may have made some Millstone News volunteers uncomfortable.”
    MY ONLY REGRET….well now!

  51. You might notice in his comments below he says “My only regret is that this issue may have made some Millstone News volunteers uncomfortable.”
    MY ONLY REGRET….well now!

  52. I certainly don’t remember ever seeing people’s email addresses or you can believe I’d have been all over the issue then! I remember seeing the names and where people were from at the time they received the signature from Robert Bateman.

  53. I certainly don’t remember ever seeing people’s email addresses or you can believe I’d have been all over the issue then! I remember seeing the names and where people were from at the time they received the signature from Robert Bateman.

  54. Not politically astute, for sure. My own experience from “geeks” (I am one myself) is that we are not good at immediately admitting our own mistakes – however, if someone convinces us with good arguments, we tend to adjust our opinions accordingly. If it were me, I also would have made the argument that the list was public, and then I wouldn’t have felt the need to apologize. Having the ability to adjust one’s opinion is a mark of leadership; also having the ability to admit one’s error.
    I agree with you that all we can do is reserve judgement and see how this all plays out. Rose Mary, it was a very good question at the ACM, and worth bringing forward now.

  55. Not politically astute, for sure. My own experience from “geeks” (I am one myself) is that we are not good at immediately admitting our own mistakes – however, if someone convinces us with good arguments, we tend to adjust our opinions accordingly. If it were me, I also would have made the argument that the list was public, and then I wouldn’t have felt the need to apologize. Having the ability to adjust one’s opinion is a mark of leadership; also having the ability to admit one’s error.
    I agree with you that all we can do is reserve judgement and see how this all plays out. Rose Mary, it was a very good question at the ACM, and worth bringing forward now.

  56. I think you’re right about the e-mails. It was probably wrong.
    I do think that they were sent under the belief it was legal. So a mistake was made.It is a new law.
    People are upset over this. I get it.

    Our new Mayor should rise above his predecessor and admit an error in judgement was made and apologize.

  57. I think you’re right about the e-mails. It was probably wrong.
    I do think that they were sent under the belief it was legal. So a mistake was made.It is a new law.
    People are upset over this. I get it.

    Our new Mayor should rise above his predecessor and admit an error in judgement was made and apologize.

  58. Rose, I love that this has come to light and thank you for sending in this message. Too bad Millstone didn’t have the cahones to post it when you sent it in. The election could have resulted very differently. A win by only 61 votes…close call and this could have made the difference.

  59. Rose, I love that this has come to light and thank you for sending in this message. Too bad Millstone didn’t have the cahones to post it when you sent it in. The election could have resulted very differently. A win by only 61 votes…close call and this could have made the difference. Hmmmmmm

  60. Do you have anything intelligent to discuss? You have to be a liberal with all of the comments you’ve provided with the lack of intelligence or constructive input you’ve provided so far.

  61. Guest Bill Armstrong • 23 minutes ago
    Yup you’re right you are not the most respectful or right. Actually you don’t know the people if this town well at all. Go back to the city where you belong(sic)

    You just wrote this on another thread…Bravo.

  62. Good Morning Mr. McLaughlin,

    Please review all of the posts on this subject from yesterday. Even your supporters are now admitting what you did in using the e-mail addresses was not right. The people have spoken and you have stated several times that you will listen to the citizens. Apologize to Ms Sarsfield and this matter will be done with and we can move on.

  63. Good Morning Mr. McLaughlin,

    Please review all of the posts on this subject from yesterday. Even your supporters are now admitting what you did in using the e-mail addresses was not right. The people have spoken and you have stated several times that you will listen to the citizens. Apologize to Ms Sarsfield and this matter will be done with and we can move on.

  64. Standing Order 38
    On November 3rd 2014, I spoke to the Protocol Office of the Ontario Legislature regarding the use of online petitions. In short, they are not valid and will not be accepted by the Ontario Government. There are set rules and procedures for the submission of a petition under Standing Order 38 of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario. The process does not allow for an online petition and each petitioner must meet the following criteria:
    1) Be a resident of the Province of Ontario;
    2) petitioners must write their names addresses and original signatures on the form. (There is no provision to record, solicit or include email addresses.);
    3) petitioners may be under the age of majority.
    There are other requirements that also have to be taken in account, all of which can be found online in the above mentioned Standing Order 38. Finally when it comes to the presentation of the petition to the Government of Ontario this must be done by a MPP.

    Phil Wood

    I posted on behalf of Phil as he has concerns about the provider Disqus.

  65. Standing Order 38
    On November 3rd 2014, I spoke to the Protocol Office of the Ontario Legislature regarding the use of online petitions. In short, they are not valid and will not be accepted by the Ontario Government. There are set rules and procedures for the submission of a petition under Standing Order 38 of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario. The process does not allow for an online petition and each petitioner must meet the following criteria:
    1) Be a resident of the Province of Ontario;
    2) petitioners must write their names addresses and original signatures on the form. (There is no provision to record, solicit or include email addresses.);
    3) petitioners may be under the age of majority.
    There are other requirements that also have to be taken in account, all of which can be found online in the above mentioned Standing Order 38. Finally when it comes to the presentation of the petition to the Government of Ontario this must be done by a MPP.

    Phil Wood

    I posted on behalf of Phil as he has concerns about the provider Disqus.

  66. NOW for my own comment, I think the millstone rocks, thanks for all your efforts to protect the river… The internet is a scary place, where nothing is secure, we should all know that by now.

  67. NOW for my own comment, I think the millstone rocks, thanks for all your efforts to protect the river… The internet is a scary place, where nothing is secure, we should all know that by now.

  68. Not quite sure waht this has to do with Shaun using e-mail addresses? Kind of sad that all the hard work Brent did was for nothing if online petitions are not valid.

  69. Not quite sure what this has to do with Shaun using e-mail addresses? Kind of sad that all the hard work Brent did was for nothing if online petitions are not valid.

  70. I agree it’s too bad that hard work Brent cannot be used to go to the Ontario government, but a simple internet search would have told him that. http://www.ontla.on.ca/lao/en/getting-involved/petitions/
    So the value of the petition has been only at the local level. Council knew of its existence even if it was never formally presented and it attracted a lot of attention. It is unfortunate that its value has been diminished by being used in vote solicitation. So going forward if there is a will to go to the Ontario government there will have to be a paper petition prepared.

  71. I agree it’s too bad that hard work Brent cannot be used to go to the Ontario government, but a simple internet search would have told him that. http://www.ontla.on.ca/lao/en/getting-involved/petitions/
    So the value of the petition has been only at the local level. Council knew of its existence even if it was never formally presented and it attracted a lot of attention. It is unfortunate that its value has been diminished by being used in vote solicitation. So going forward if there is a will to go to the Ontario government there will have to be a paper petition prepared.

  72. In case it gets lost in all of this, I too appreciate the work that the Millstone does to get out the news of community events and happenings. It is a very necessary part of the community given that the Gazette only comes once a week and is not based in town any more. It is unfortunate that a decision was made that has backfired. This really is not an internet problem. It is a problem made by someone who shared information (probably in good faith) and that information was used for personal gain by a bunch of people who should have known better.

  73. In case it gets lost in all of this, I too appreciate the work that the Millstone does to get out the news of community events and happenings. It is a very necessary part of the community given that the Gazette only comes once a week and is not based in town any more. It is unfortunate that a decision was made that has backfired. This really is not an internet problem. It is a problem made by someone who shared information (probably in good faith) and that information was used for personal gain by a bunch of people who should have known better.

  74. Still no response from you Shaun. Just as a reminder, here is something from your website regarding communication:
    “As your Mayor, I will bring a new leadership style to Town Hall –one that will listen to the residents and work collaboratively towards solutions to help our families and businesses thrive. Through the Mayor’s Office, I will foster greater two-way communications. I will encourage both meaningful engagement with residents and consensus building withinCouncil based on mutual trust and respect.”
    I see no 2 way communication. I guess that doesn’t start until December 1st.

  75. Still no response from you Shaun. Just as a reminder, here is something from your website regarding communication:
    “As your Mayor, I will bring a new leadership style to Town Hall –one that will listen to the residents and work collaboratively towards solutions to help our families and businesses thrive. Through the Mayor’s Office, I will foster greater two-way communications. I will encourage both meaningful engagement with residents and consensus building withinCouncil based on mutual trust and respect.”
    I see no 2 way communication. I guess that doesn’t start until December 1st.

  76. I have new information on this issue and offer an apology.

    Several comments on this thread got me doubting my memory
    about the contents of the Enerdu petition. Were the email addresses visible?
    This morning, I used Internet tools to locate cached versions of the old
    petition page. The email addresses were not there. So, I was wrong when I wrote
    before: “The entire contents of the petition were publicly in view—names
    and email addresses.”

    This was not a deliberate falsification. I had last viewed
    the petition page in August and I have viewed the excel spreadsheet so often,
    which included the emails, that I merged the two in my mind.

    So I apologize to everyone whose email I used and understand
    any resentment you may harbour. As I wrote before, the master list and all
    partial lists derived from it were deleted. I also deleted any email that had
    attachments related to the list.

  77. I have new information on this issue and offer an apology.

    Several comments on this thread got me doubting my memory
    about the contents of the Enerdu petition. Were the email addresses visible?
    This morning, I used Internet tools to locate cached versions of the old
    petition page. The email addresses were not there. So, I was wrong when I wrote
    before: “The entire contents of the petition were publicly in view—names
    and email addresses.”

    This was not a deliberate falsification. I had last viewed
    the petition page in August and I have viewed the excel spreadsheet so often,
    which included the emails, that I merged the two in my mind.

    So I apologize to everyone whose email I used and understand
    any resentment you may harbour. As I wrote before, the master list and all
    partial lists derived from it were deleted. I also deleted any email that had
    attachments related to the list.

  78. Sorry this doesn’t smell right at all. I just can’t buy this. Sounds like a pile of BS to me. Really, cashed versions, I dont think so. If it’s gone it’s gone. When and why? Coaching was lame. Ugh Some people do understand tech in Mississippi mills besides ‘your people’.

  79. This is the letter that was sent. It was from Gaye Bennett:

    October 2014

    Dear Mississippi Mills resident,

    This municipal election is about our vision of the Town we want to live in
    and the future of our river. We have a clear choice for Mayor, one who
    will balance community values with business interests.

    One of the most-discussed issues among the residents of Mississippi Mills,
    especially people in Almonte, is the proposed expansion of the Enerdu
    hydro generating station. If unchallenged, Enerdu will construct a
    two-storey building mid-river in downtown Almonte, and will replace the
    existing Enerdu dam.

    A business revival has graced downtown Almonte in the last few years.
    Tourists regularly come to shop, dine, and stroll, attracted in part by
    the charm of the river as it flows through the Town’s core. Some
    visitors return as new residents or to set up still more businesses. The
    Town and its river walk are alluring and special.

    However, now we face an Enerdu expansion that threatens the river’s charm in
    Almonte’s heritage downtown. The combination of the altered waterfall, a
    new weir and a concrete box extending further into the river could
    reverse the positive business trend. Enerdu’s heritage impact study
    provided a long list of negative impacts that included “obstruction of
    significant views” and “alteration in the historic appearance of the
    cultural landscape.” If this proposed power project becomes a reality,
    downtown Almonte would be forever changed.

    In addition, the recent report by the Mississippi Valley Field Naturalists
    asserts that Enerdu’s higher flashboards, installed around 2000, are
    drowning the maples in that provincially significant Appleton Wetland.

    Mississippi Mills Council was slow to react to the problems posed by the Enerdu
    project. While the Town has no regulatory control over it, Council
    should have used its influence to get the issue before key provincial
    ministers. Our Mayor chose not to speak out against Enerdu at Queen’s
    Park and, today, he is championing the project.

    A small group of Councillors, organized by Councillor Shaun McLaughlin,
    recently advanced two motions that take a stand against the Enerdu
    project and another to help save the Appleton Wetlands. By themselves,
    these motions do not guarantee a halt to the Enerdu project, or save the
    Appleton Wetlands. Only a determined Mayor, backed by a majority of
    Council, has a chance of getting Queen’s Park to take our cause
    seriously.

    In the upcoming municipal election (voting October 20th through 27th),
    please select a Mayor and Councillors who have firmly stated their
    opposition to the Enerdu expansion and who have proven their willingness
    to keep fighting. Only one Mayoral candidate meets this test – Shaun
    McLaughlin. We the undersigned urge you, your family and friends to
    support Shaun as the next Mayor of Mississippi Mills.

    Sincerely,

    Gaye Bennett, Ramsay
    Pat Vetter, Almonte
    Susan Woodley, Almonte
    David Thomson, Ramsay
    Bryn Matthews, Ramsay
    Ann Mason, Almonte
    Jim Riva, Almonte
    Cathy Blake, Almonte
    Jennifer Noxon, Almonte
    Bruce Kingsley, Ramsay

  80. This is the letter that was sent. It was from Gaye Bennett:

    October 2014

    Dear Mississippi Mills resident,

    This municipal election is about our vision of the Town we want to live in
    and the future of our river. We have a clear choice for Mayor, one who
    will balance community values with business interests.

    One of the most-discussed issues among the residents of Mississippi Mills,
    especially people in Almonte, is the proposed expansion of the Enerdu
    hydro generating station. If unchallenged, Enerdu will construct a
    two-storey building mid-river in downtown Almonte, and will replace the
    existing Enerdu dam.

    A business revival has graced downtown Almonte in the last few years.
    Tourists regularly come to shop, dine, and stroll, attracted in part by
    the charm of the river as it flows through the Town’s core. Some
    visitors return as new residents or to set up still more businesses. The
    Town and its river walk are alluring and special.

    However, now we face an Enerdu expansion that threatens the river’s charm in
    Almonte’s heritage downtown. The combination of the altered waterfall, a
    new weir and a concrete box extending further into the river could
    reverse the positive business trend. Enerdu’s heritage impact study
    provided a long list of negative impacts that included “obstruction of
    significant views” and “alteration in the historic appearance of the
    cultural landscape.” If this proposed power project becomes a reality,
    downtown Almonte would be forever changed.

    In addition, the recent report by the Mississippi Valley Field Naturalists
    asserts that Enerdu’s higher flashboards, installed around 2000, are
    drowning the maples in that provincially significant Appleton Wetland.

    Mississippi Mills Council was slow to react to the problems posed by the Enerdu
    project. While the Town has no regulatory control over it, Council
    should have used its influence to get the issue before key provincial
    ministers. Our Mayor chose not to speak out against Enerdu at Queen’s
    Park and, today, he is championing the project.

    A small group of Councillors, organized by Councillor Shaun McLaughlin,
    recently advanced two motions that take a stand against the Enerdu
    project and another to help save the Appleton Wetlands. By themselves,
    these motions do not guarantee a halt to the Enerdu project, or save the
    Appleton Wetlands. Only a determined Mayor, backed by a majority of
    Council, has a chance of getting Queen’s Park to take our cause
    seriously.

    In the upcoming municipal election (voting October 20th through 27th),
    please select a Mayor and Councillors who have firmly stated their
    opposition to the Enerdu expansion and who have proven their willingness
    to keep fighting. Only one Mayoral candidate meets this test – Shaun
    McLaughlin. We the undersigned urge you, your family and friends to
    support Shaun as the next Mayor of Mississippi Mills.

    Sincerely,

    Gaye Bennett, Ramsay
    Pat Vetter, Almonte
    Susan Woodley, Almonte
    David Thomson, Ramsay
    Bryn Matthews, Ramsay
    Ann Mason, Almonte
    Jim Riva, Almonte
    Cathy Blake, Almonte
    Jennifer Noxon, Almonte
    Bruce Kingsley, Ramsay

  81. Thanks for posting this. From this line: “and a concrete box extending further into the river”, it makes me think it was written by Nathan as he has called the expansion this several times.

  82. Thanks for posting this. From this line: “and a concrete box extending further into the river”, it makes me think it was written by Nathan as he has called the expansion this several times.

  83. Now that I have seen the letter sent to those on the Stop Enerdu Petition e-mail list, I have a few more questions/comments:
    1. This letter does not mention that it is from the “Shaun for Mayor” Campaign. Doesn’t a political party have to mention that correspondence is from them or is it normal policy to fool people into believing that the letter was from a group of concerned citizens? If the answer is that the letter is from the 10 whose names appear on it, where did they get the names and e-mail addresses from?
    2. Shaun’s apology made me wonder how he will be able to proceed as Mayor. If he gets confused between posted names on a petition website and an Excel file with e-mail addresses attached, will he get confused between the budget for water and the budget for roads?
    3. We now have data that indicates several laws were broken as a result of this mailing. Shaun has admitted that the e-mail addresses were never public information (privacy laws broken) and the letter sent to the e-mail addresses was not exempt from section 6 of the Canadian Anti-Spam Legislation (another law broken). Is it OK to break the law while campaigning for office? I will ask this question at both a municipal and provincial level.
    4. “Brent Eades provided the list of signatories and their e-mail addresses to Shaun McLaughlin upon Shaun McLaughlin’s request some time ago in his capacity as Mississippi Mills Councillor”(quote from the Millstone). Shaun then used this list for his own political gain. How ethical is that for our new Mayor?
    5. His first response was not to admit his mistakes, only to hide behind excuses. When he did finally apologize, he still tried to excuse his poor judgment. Will this type of behavior continue while he is Mayor?

  84. Yes, it was. We have allowed this conversation to proceed unrestrained, but we are going to start deleting comments that suggest that laws were broken. I was chief privacy officer for the CBC for 10 years and while you may question Shaun’s judgment if you wish, I do not think that laws were broken and until you can give me proof that they were we shall delete those allegations. It is defamatory to suggest illegality.

    Edith Cody-Rice

  85. Yes, it was. We have allowed this conversation to proceed unrestrained, but we are going to start deleting comments that suggest that laws were broken. I was chief privacy officer for the CBC for 10 years and while you may question Shaun’s judgment if you wish, I do not think that laws were broken and until you can give me proof that they were we shall delete those allegations. It is defamatory to suggest illegality.

    Edith Cody-Rice

  86. Luck thing you can’t vote again if this election. What a wast. There is not enough hrs to chase ever after this in the millstone. Enerdu will run it’s coarse. Why is everyone using there energy against this? Respecting other even if their opinin differs from your is a necessary requirement of being a leader. Shawn ask me to have good respectable competition in mayoralty race an I agreed. I never lobbied for Enerdu, I ask Geff for a drawing. I agree they could have did better presentation but many had better understanding. They have had to go through environmental and regularity process. Council formed a committee to work with Enerdu architect composed of representative’s. In fact they collects much more than they give us. I have not seen these special interest post before but make good reading tonight. I am not being submissive of anyone. The proof project will no be able to process. One does no try to match the building but does design addition to be sympathetic. Possitive compeditive opertunities of investment and ability to work together to get things done is not Nathan and your buddy Shawn. Our democratic system gives us all a choice by allowing us the priveledge of voting. I will be more than happy to converse with anyone as I have in the passed. Shawn is not ready to be mayor. I have no intention of future corresponding through the millstone.

  87. Well Tracy, I am a lawyer with 35 years of experience in the fields of privacy, defamation and freedom of information. I don’t think I am going to open that debate with you.

  88. That comment I posted was very large. Only one line of it may have mentioned illegal activities. I do not think it is fair that you seleted the full comment. But who am I to say, this is not a democracy or anything.

  89. That comment I posted was very large. Only one line of it may have mentioned illegal activities. I do not think it is fair that you deleted the full comment. But who am I to say, this is not a democracy or anything.

  90. Why don’t you post the comment without the allegation of illegality, We usually don’t just edit comments as this doesn’t reflect what the commenter said. They stay up or are taken down.

  91. Why don’t you post the comment without the allegation of illegality, We usually don’t just edit comments as this doesn’t reflect what the commenter said. They stay up or are taken down.

  92. Thank you, Mr.McLaughlin for your apology and thank you for seeing that the lists have been deleted. I cannot speak for others who received the email, but I believe you now understand that there were several people who found this whole issue to be disturbing. I know, because I heard from many of them. You have admitted that you were wrong and I accept that, and I accept your apology.The whole situation brought into question the matter of trust. Going forward
    you must be transparent and open about EVERYTHING, because in a place like Mississippi Mills you can be dead in the water before you know what happened.You have a huge job ahead of you in trying to deal with the Enerdu question and all those other issues that will come up in the next four years. The town is very divided and that problem has to be fixed. You are “new” to Mississippi Mills, as are lots of folks. Even my husband who has been here for 38 years is still known as “Rose’s husband”. You are under the microscope. Strength is not shown through confrontation. It is shown through respect for the point of view of others. We have had enough of confrontation. So if you truly want to have the input of the community, you will need to show you are ready to listen. How you treat people can make them your biggest fan or your biggest enemy. “People don’t remember what you said, they don’t remember what you did, but they do remember how you made them feel”.

  93. Thank you, Mr.McLaughlin for your apology and thank you for seeing that the lists have been deleted. I cannot speak for others who received the email, but I believe you now understand that there were several people who found this whole issue to be disturbing. I know, because I heard from many of them. You have admitted that you were wrong and I accept that, and I accept your apology.The whole situation brought into question the matter of trust. Going forward
    you must be transparent and open about EVERYTHING, because in a place like Mississippi Mills you can be dead in the water before you know what happened.You have a huge job ahead of you in trying to deal with the Enerdu question and all those other issues that will come up in the next four years. The town is very divided and that problem has to be fixed. You are “new” to Mississippi Mills, as are lots of folks. Even my husband who has been here for 38 years is still known as “Rose’s husband”. You are under the microscope. Strength is not shown through confrontation. It is shown through respect for the point of view of others. We have had enough of confrontation. So if you truly want to have the input of the community, you will need to show you are ready to listen. How you treat people can make them your biggest fan or your biggest enemy. “People don’t remember what you said, they don’t remember what you did, but they do remember how you made them feel”.

  94. Fact = “Brent Eades provided the list of signatories and their e-mail addresses to Shaun McLaughlin upon Shaun McLaughlin’s request some time ago in his capacity as Mississippi Mills Councillor, for the purpose of that lobbying effort and to permit the updating of signers on the progress of the lobbying effort and the fate of the Enerdu project.” (quote from Millstone)

    Fact = The names and general locations of the signatories were public domain as they appeared on the website. The e-mail addresses were not as they NEVER appeared on any website.

    Fact = Shaun McLaughlin used the e-mail addresses (given to him in his capacity as councilor) to send campaign correspondence to over 800 residents of Mississippi Mills that signed the petition. As per his own posting, he gave these private e-mail addresses to 7 people.

    Fact = Section 6 of the Canadian Anti-spam legislation (Edith, are you an expert on this as well?) does not apply to the correspondence sent as its primary purpose was not to solicit contributions.

    Fact = The correspondence sent to over 800 Mississippi Mills residents does not mention that it is from the “Shaun for Mayor” campaign. With the names listed at the end of the letter, it appears that the letter was from 10 citizens of Mississippi Mills.

  95. Fact = “Brent Eades provided the list of signatories and their e-mail addresses to Shaun McLaughlin upon Shaun McLaughlin’s request some time ago in his capacity as Mississippi Mills Councillor, for the purpose of that lobbying effort and to permit the updating of signers on the progress of the lobbying effort and the fate of the Enerdu project.” (quote from Millstone)

    Fact = The names and general locations of the signatories were public domain as they appeared on the website. The e-mail addresses were not as they NEVER appeared on any website.

    Fact = Shaun McLaughlin used the e-mail addresses (given to him in his capacity as councilor) to send campaign correspondence to over 800 residents of Mississippi Mills that signed the petition. As per his own posting, he gave these private e-mail addresses to 7 people.

    Fact = Section 6 of the Canadian Anti-spam legislation (Edith, are you an expert on this as well?) does not apply to the correspondence sent as its primary purpose was not to solicit contributions.

    Fact = The correspondence sent to over 800 Mississippi Mills residents does not mention that it is from the “Shaun for Mayor” campaign. With the names listed at the end of the letter, it appears that the letter was from 10 citizens of Mississippi Mills.

  96. As you are such an expert in the field and a fellow resident of our small friendly town that helps each other, I will ask for your thoughts on the following questions:
    If I were to start an online petition that required the signatories to provide their e-mail addresses, can I legally do any of the following:
    Publish their e-mail addresses for public viewing?
    Provide this list to anyone I wish?
    Use this list for purposes not stated in the original petition?
    Just wondering as I am thinking of starting my own petition on a seperate matter and want to ensure that I am doing everything properly.
    Thanks for any help you can provide.

  97. As you are such an expert in the field and a fellow resident of our small friendly town that helps each other, I will ask for your thoughts on the following questions:
    If I were to start an online petition that required the signatories to provide their e-mail addresses, can I legally do any of the following:
    Publish their e-mail addresses for public viewing?
    Provide this list to anyone I wish?
    Use this list for purposes not stated in the original petition?
    Just wondering as I am thinking of starting my own petition on a seperate matter and want to ensure that I am doing everything properly.
    Thanks for any help you can provide.

  98. No it wasn’t, but it was pretty obvious from the content that they were working for his election. So in my question in Clayton I assumed that that was who the email was from and he confirmed that it was and he also stated that he had 40 people working for him.

  99. No it wasn’t, but it was pretty obvious from the content that they were working for his election. So in my question in Clayton I assumed that that was who the email was from and he confirmed that it was and he also stated that he had 40 people working for him.

  100. I have answered Mr. McLaughlin’s apology below. I would like to thank everyone for their comments. I believe that Mr. McLaughlin now understands that people had a real issue with his actions. I hope he understands that he is going to be under heavy scrutiny in the coming months and years. And if he needs advice he only needs to come to the pages of the Millstone where it will be dished out freely!!!!

  101. I have answered Mr. McLaughlin’s apology below. I would like to thank everyone for their comments. I believe that Mr. McLaughlin now understands that people had a real issue with his actions. I hope he understands that he is going to be under heavy scrutiny in the coming months and years. And if he needs advice he only needs to come to the pages of the Millstone where it will be dished out freely!!!!

  102. The last Levi online rant (hopefully) deserves a repeat of this post, submitted in response to “Old Man Almonte” here: https://millstonenews.com/2014/10/special-meeting-of-mississippi-mills-council-this-evening-october-282014-at-6-pm.html#comment-1674245261

    Old men and youth alike can benefit from several object lessons learned during the contest waged by our erstwhile mayor and his select few campaign compatriots alongside their competitors:

    1) If you have job responsibilities, do your job and fulfill your responsibilities, or be prepared to get fired.

    The erstwhile mayor fell out of touch with the people he was elected to serve. Despite his self-proclaimed 6th generation roots, philanthropy, construction knowledge, and leadership skills – in addition to his systematic put-downs of an opponent and his supporters, and desperate denigrations of a local volunteer Board of Directors who kindly refused to act as a political football during his last-gasp “special meetings” – he lost.

    2) When you’re going through life, deal in facts, not misinformation, or it will cost you your integrity.

    The erstwhile mayor’s misinformed forays on a number of subjects during the election are very well documented. But as another example that extends to his compatriots, “Old Man Almonte”, I’ve taken care to compliment Mr. Levi’s business accomplishments on several, not “one” occasion as you falsely claim. Here: https://millstonenews.com/2014/09/stephen-brathwaite-provides-his-perspective-on-the-enerdu-project.html#comment-1581991247 Here: https://millstonenews.com/2014/07/councillors-introduce-motions-to-indicate-disapproval-of-the-enerdu-project.html#comment-1516545881 And here: https://millstonenews.com/2014/10/special-meeting-of-mississippi-mills-council-this-evening-october-282014-at-6-pm.html#comment-1662235404

    3) If you want something, work hard, play smart, and you’ll increase your chances of winning.

    Like you said “Old Man Almonte”, The bottom line is that each mayoral candidate took the stance he thought was right. To quote you, “One campaigned a hell of a lot harder than the other and very narrowly won the election.” Yup.

    4) Whether you win or you lose, do it graciously.

    When you lose, don’t blame the refs. Don’t blame the ice. Don’t blame the fans (who as we know get emotional – only moreso in a hotly contested game). Just shake hands and move on.

    On his win, while Mayor McLaughlin publicly acknowledged that he learned from and appreciated the efforts of (both of) his political opponents in his victory remarks, the erstwhile mayor “left the building” on election night, and chose not to shake the winner’s hand, instead leaving that honour to Councillor Paul Watters. http://www.insideottawavalley.com/news-story/4947206-shaun-mclaughlin-new-mayor-of-mississippi-mills/.

    5) Don’t be a suck.

    Prior to his exit from Almonte Old Town Hall on election night, when his cynically staged “special meetings” didn’t get the result he was expecting, the erstwhile mayor left the political arena muttering “This isn’t democracy”. It certainly was.

    And after he lost his job, he complained in a local paper that he “did not enjoy the way the campaign was run”. http://www.insideottawavalley.com/news-story/4952651-mclaughlin-captures-mayor-role-by-61-votes/.

    He has since continued his online sniping in The Millstone, vainly continuing his failed campaign to create the impression that the municipality has no means at its disposal to stop or in any way alter the Enerdu project. See: https://millstonenews.com/2014/10/special-meeting-of-mississippi-mills-council-this-evening-october-282014-at-6-pm.html#comment-1663035603.

  103. Typical..please reread your 4th statement. And then read it again and again. Not surprised you jumped on the post in light of the issues really being discussed. A bit of deflection maybe.

  104. Sorry Rose, I am going to steal that last part of your post and post it again because I think it is that good:
    “So if you truly want to have the input of the community, you will need to show you are ready to listen. How you treat people can make them your biggest fan or your biggest enemy. “People don’t remember what you said, they don’t remember what you did, but they do remember how you made them feel”. WOW

  105. Sorry Rose, I am going to steal that last part of your post and post it again because I think it is that good:
    “So if you truly want to have the input of the community, you will need to show you are ready to listen. How you treat people can make them your biggest fan or your biggest enemy. “People don’t remember what you said, they don’t remember what you did, but they do remember how you made them feel”. WOW

  106. Had Levi done this, would you have made the same comment. Doesn’t matter who the mayor is, I hold everyone accountable to the same standard. He messed up big time yet his apology was very small. Shaun was one of the first to post on this letter, it should have been an apology from the start, not an excuse.

  107. Had Levi done this, would you have made the same comment. Doesn’t matter who the mayor is, I hold everyone accountable to the same standard. He messed up big time yet his apology was very small. Shaun was one of the first to post on this letter, it should have been an apology from the start, not an excuse.

  108. People with cohones sign their full name when making accusations. Theresa is the same to me as Guest. Everyone know who I am. A few have even called me and stopped by my place

  109. People with cohones sign their full name when making accusations. Theresa is the same to me as Guest. Everyone know who I am. A few have even called me and stopped by my place

  110. Tracy,
    First, I find most of your comments contribute to the on-line discussions and appreciate that. The fact that you sign your full name gives your comments more credibility.

    Second, it seems that here you’re coming to the defence of “Guest”, and this comment was directed specifically to “Guest”. It is in no way directed at you (see my first comment above).

    Third, being a woman, I do not have “cojones”; however the first name I post under is my real first name, and so far there don’t seem to be any other people posting under my name. With “Guest”, it seems to be a different matter (or else “Guest” has a habit of replying to his/her own posts).

    Finally, signing my full name might result in my being run out of town by “Guest” (see one of “Guest”‘s previous comments), especially since I don’t share many of the same views.

  111. Tracy,
    First, I find most of your comments contribute to the on-line discussions and appreciate that. The fact that you sign your full name gives your comments more credibility.

    Second, it seems that here you’re coming to the defence of “Guest”, and this comment was directed specifically to “Guest”. It is in no way directed at you (see my first comment above).

    Third, being a woman, I do not have “cojones”; however the first name I post under is my real first name, and so far there don’t seem to be any other people posting under my name. With “Guest”, it seems to be a different matter (or else “Guest” has a habit of replying to his/her own posts).

    Finally, signing my full name might result in my being run out of town by “Guest” (see one of “Guest”‘s previous comments), especially since I don’t share many of the same views.

  112. Let me ask you one question. What did you gain by making that post to guest? All I was saying is that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Why can’t guest make accusations under that name? Guest could be anyone in the world as far as I know, Theresa can be anyone in the world named Theresa. I Don’t understand the difference.
    Finally, I think women can have “cojones, cohones or however you spell it. In my opinion it is a figure of speach meaning nerve, guts or bravery. My wife has bigger cojones (figure of speach) than most men on this site.

  113. Let me ask you one question. What did you gain by making that post to guest? All I was saying is that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Why can’t guest make accusations under that name? Guest could be anyone in the world as far as I know, Theresa can be anyone in the world named Theresa. I Don’t understand the difference.
    Finally, I think women can have “cojones, cohones or however you spell it. In my opinion it is a figure of speach meaning nerve, guts or bravery. My wife has bigger cojones (figure of speach) than most men on this site.

  114. Tracy,
    If you read “Guest”‘s reply to one poster here who used his real name (I think that reply was later deleted), you wouldn’t be asking me that question.

  115. Tracy,
    If you read “Guest”‘s reply to one poster here who used his real name (I think that reply was later deleted), you wouldn’t be asking me that question.

  116. I agree. We instituted comment guidelines to encourage civil debate, particularly after the tenor of comments during the election. They don’t seem to be having much effect. We are closing this article to comments
    Edith

  117. I agree. We instituted comment guidelines to encourage civil debate, particularly after the tenor of comments during the election. They don’t seem to be having much effect. We are closing this article to comments
    Edith

  118. You no longer give legal advice to ME. You seem to have no issue giving legal advice to the Millstone. Don’t worry yourself, the answers to my above questions were rhetorical. Like you, we both know the answers to the questions, that is why you published this letter with a forward in the beginning.

  119. You no longer give legal advice to ME. You seem to have no issue giving legal advice to the Millstone. Don’t worry yourself, the answers to my above questions were rhetorical. Like you, we both know the answers to the questions, that is why you published this letter with a forward in the beginning.

  120. “Not good at admitting our mistakes” … Yep. Some are really not good at admitting OUR mistakes. But fairly good at admitting their own mistakes… or how does that go?

  121. You’re right… I seem to remember everyone calling the square grey thingy cube made of cured artificial stone… I mean, only Nathan could coined that unique verbage: concrete box… Pfshhh.. to think how inaccurate that sounds now.

  122. It just goes to show you how great of a Mayor Shaun will be when Nathan is pulling his strings. Marketing genius and he could even get it correct when it came to the use of e-mail addresses

  123. Almonte 1855, Our kind is obviously not welcome on this website.

    “Coward Guest that posted a bunch of garbage”, you have ruined it for people that want to have a true debate on a subject.

  124. Almonte 1855, Our kind is obviously not welcome on this website.

    “Coward Guest that posted a bunch of garbage”, you have ruined it for people that want to have a true debate on a subject.

  125. There was discussion on here not long ago regarding the Millstone and their concern over anonymous comments.
    I’m on the fence on this one, but it would certainly curb some of these comments.

  126. There was discussion on here not long ago regarding the Millstone and their concern over anonymous comments.
    I’m on the fence on this one, but it would certainly curb some of these comments.

  127. It would have been much nicer and far more honest if it had properly credited the outgoing mayor with the downtown revival. Anyone else remember the long line of boarded up buildings and closing shops only about 7 years back?

  128. It would have been much nicer and far more honest if it had properly credited the outgoing mayor with the downtown revival. Anyone else remember the long line of boarded up buildings and closing shops only about 7 years back?

  129. Ok so we all call ourselves Johnny Walker. Would that be better? Really just accept the posts as they are. What’s the problem?
    Not to you Tracy. It’s a rhetorical question 🙂

  130. Some idiot has highjacked the lagitament posts of ‘Guest’ since there can be more than 1 guest posting at a time. It’s to bad it has come to this ‘persons’ mockery postings to try to make the others post not valid. Shameful there is such immaturity

  131. So here I am. The editors seemed to have deleted many of my posts. I’m done with this this BS. I guess they didn’t like my Liebral comments.

  132. Tracy. Reality check.
    A third of the posts on this comment board are yours.
    More than anyone else – by at least double.
    Seems “(y)our kind” are very welcome here.

  133. Tracy. Reality check.
    A third of the posts on this comment board are yours.
    More than anyone else – by at least double.
    Seems “(y)our kind” are very welcome here.

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